September 30, 2010 08:03PM
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I guess the new, industrial strength, battery did mask the problem, and if I crank it long enough the car does start but runs jumpy until something heats up (usually after a few minutes) and then all is well and smooth. If I keep running the car all day (even if it's raining hard) everything is fine.
The one thing I've done (at the time it doesn't start) is check spark (strong) and do the codes which are fine, every time. I haven't taken the old alarm out yet but will. So, the mystery continues jeez |
October 01, 2010 02:01PM
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October 01, 2010 04:25PM
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I did replace the one coolant sensor on the front there but is there another? If I had to pick something out of the thin air I would say under the black plastic cover on the air flow meter, I see the rubbing arm riding on that coil is dirty and has a hard time working in the damp; that's just the way it feels (jerky running under power) when it's damp. I'm sure it's something completely different but we'll see in a few days when I put on a spare unit. I have another set of ignition wires too, I'm using a set off one of my Etas right now without that single wire pigtail. After that the stinkin alarm is getting out of there, at least out of the fuse box. That whole unit will come out and be put back to normal Just a little busy at the moment, and my wife isn't helping acting like a nut job. Thanks Alan, Rick |
October 01, 2010 07:08PM
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October 01, 2010 08:27PM
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October 01, 2010 08:33PM
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October 01, 2010 08:57PM
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OK, according to the Bentley manual, the coolant temp sensor for the ECU should read 2200-2700 ohms at 68*. At 176* it should read 300-360 ohms. This is for the 325i and 325is. Bentley also lists dirty injectors and poor fuel pressure as a cause for hard cold start but hmmmmm. Bentley says the connector color is blue for the 325i and 325is
Make sure you are not confusing the temp sensor for the gauge sensor (I would most likely do this). This is in section 6-42 of the Bentley alan |
October 02, 2010 10:26AM
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Rick, just had a thought (no, it didn't hurt ). When you say it is hard cold starting, is it possible you are loosing fuel pressure in the injector rail from a bad valve on the fuel pump? So the cranking is lengthy because you are waiting for pressure to build so the injectors can spray?
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October 02, 2010 05:57PM
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Thanks Alan, actually my condition is really just a dampness related issue, even a damp morning (we get em big time) will make the car hard to start and then run funny for a minute or two until it warms and dries out but it does not seem flooded in any way, then it can be raining cats and dogs the rest of the day with out any starting issues I do think it is not spark related though; every time I check it, it's strong. |
October 03, 2010 04:04PM
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October 03, 2010 05:33PM
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Pretty sure that was only on the Eta with the Motronic 1.0. The 325i/iS runs Motronic 1.1 which controls the injectors so no need for the cold start injector which was controlled by the ICM that complemented the older Motronic module. His engine should have only two sensors up there by the thermostat housing; a two lead one for engine coolant reporting to the ECU and a single lead one that drives the temp gauge. |
October 03, 2010 06:25PM
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Yes Peter, that's exactly right. Thanks, hopefully I'll get time this week to do so work. |
October 06, 2010 08:01AM
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So today, like any other day it's raining or damp out, the car is reluctant to start but does after some cranking. Before I even get past the first try I took a code reading from the engine check light; 114441144411444114- and so on. These are good readings, right?
As usual as soon as he starts (yes, my car is a he, got a problem with that?) it idles funky and as soon as you let the clutch out or get under any kind of power it stumbles and goes to 2-3 cylinders and then recovers slowly and gradually (within a mile or so) gets sorted out and after that (say a few miles down the road) it's perfectly fine and it's ready to do anything. Now, today is fairly mucky here with rain and damp conditions, tonight we'll have the same thing, so it's my plan to let the car completely cool off and then later, take a break from work and try it out for a late lunch I bet it starts and runs like it's a sunny day! See, the thing is, on a sunny day; cold, hot or snow up to my ears or anywhere in between the car runs 100% and with the new (huge) battery and charging system he really is strong. Much stronger than ever before in our 7-8 years together. Well, anyway, we'll see what happens later today and I'll keep working here to make room for car repairs maybe next week. Take care |
October 06, 2010 08:05AM
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October 06, 2010 08:42AM
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October 06, 2010 10:26AM
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October 06, 2010 10:45AM
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October 06, 2010 01:15PM
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So, it's afternoon and I cranked the car up (still wet outside) and it started 100% and ran right off the bat 100%, tonight more rain so I'll be out there (after he's cooled down)) to try again!
At least now, with the new electrics, I know it will start if we're on a trip so I don't feel so helpless Later |
October 06, 2010 04:45PM
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....this is getting crazy!!!!! OK, what engine component allows moisture in but when it gets hot and the moisture is disappaited, all is well? We know it isn't ignition as you stated first try; fat blue spark at the high tension lead. Are we thinking fuel at this point? Residual fuel pressure in the fuel rail falling overnight? But it only manifests in damp weather. Hmmmm. Not electrical, at least as far as high tension is concerned.
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October 06, 2010 05:41PM
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I KNOW, it's a real head scratcher.... It sure seems like a fuel related issue, in some strange way |
October 07, 2010 09:30AM
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October 07, 2010 10:15AM
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That would be a good place to check. that connector is known to hold water and get all corroded. It's right below the big Diagnostic socket with the screw off cap. Be careful when disconnecting the connector; if it has corroded, it will likely have rotten pins and separate in bits Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/07/2010 10:16AM by Archeo-peteriX. |
October 07, 2010 10:33AM
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Well, no doubt it is available here at the Pick-A-Part and we don't have a lot of corrosion issues here in So-Cal. Can't find the wiring loom part on Pelican but if the connector is crappy, it needs to be replaced.
Rick, let me know if you want me to trudge out to the Pick-A-Part, no biggie. alan |
October 07, 2010 11:54AM
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October 07, 2010 08:34PM
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Wow, what friends you are... I've had this plug apart a few years ago; I was on a mission with all the 2.5 cars in my charge. My car was a little crusty but not bad so I cleaned and coated it with electrical grease but maybe it's time for a recheck. Alan, I'll keep you posted, and thank you very much. I got a lot of work done today (I'll post a few pictures tomorrow) so soon my tools can go back in the box and on to the next project! Rick |
October 07, 2010 09:20PM
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I was looking at the wiring diagram and it shows that the injectors are fired in 2 pairs, 1,3,5 and 2,4,6. Each hot lead to the injector banks comes off the ECU on pins 14 and 15(or something like that but definitely 2 separate leads). You said it felt like the car was hitting on only 3 cylinders until it cleared and then ran fine. Hmmmmmmm
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October 08, 2010 01:07PM
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Yup, you've got me thinking the same way too |