Occupy
Posted by rkj
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The interesting (and beautiful) thing about this movement is that there isn't a set demand list; I think the message is govern for the majority- the bastards on wall street are still pulling the same shit, basically as before.
Senators and congressmen have insider tips for the stock market (among other money institutions), and that's just wrong. There has to be some what an even playing field for the folks, Not just the rich and corporations! I can't believe it's taken this long for people (normal-regular people) to rise up  I know I'm just old war horse kickin the stall but if I were younger..... and don't get me started on health care, what a travesty!
I think, at this point, it's going to take an uprising to create change. These occupy people are already starting to effect things in the world. Their noises are being felt the world over- Good For Them 
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The problem is that without a clearly defined goal; nothing will ever be achieved
Unfortunately, most of the western world is beyond recovery and those who are in power are not going to give up anything without a fight. Just look at the middle east; dictator after life time president after crooked leader has fallen to the people...after some very bloody battles. Don't be looking for any of the G8 leaders to be hunted down and dragged into the streets like Hussein, Gadhafi and others. The way to make change is from within the system. The 'Tea Party' had part of it right but it had all the wrong people in it for the wrong reasons. To get back to 'grass roots' and the intent of the constitution as written by it's authors; changes have to come by way of education and dedication while resisting the lobbyists and special interest groups and above all the Federal Reserve. Rioting in the streets does little but get people arrested or even killed; the system survives and goes on. In order to affect change; we will all have to give something up. A good place to start is by not buying things on credit; using cash for all purchases(real estate excluded of course) and keeping what we have for longer. All of this will go a long way towards choking off the strangle hold the Fed has over our lives. I understand that unemployed people have a lot of time on their hands and protesting may seem like a good thing to do but it won't provide them with jobs; even if they wanted one. Their time would be better spent taking training or upgrading their educations so that they are more employable. A much better aproach to protesting and one that is a better use of time is writing to your government representatives. It frees you up to pursue that new job; causes no financial burden to tax payers like protests and marches do(extra policing and cleanup of public places)...and it does get the attention of those people who can make changes happen. Nobody owes us a living and none of us are entitled to anything we don't work for. |
Understood Peter. .......... but I still say....  REVOLUTION
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It wouldn't surprise me at all 
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99% of the 'occupy crowd' have no clue what they want...they are just sheep being herded by a few special interest groups
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I don't believe that's true, but I'll try to put something in words soon. |
That was just a play on the 99%/1% logo some of them are using. But, I am certain that a large majority of them don't really have a clear idea of why they were there. Television interviews with participants and even some organizers has demonstrated that there is no real cohesive agenda nor formalized goals 
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You are never too old for this, Rick! Moire on this latter, after work... 
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Perhaps people will wake up and discuss whats really going on? Perhaps the "system" is way too corrupted and rotten. Can any of your representative get your concerns through, on top of the powerfull lobbys? Perhaps a way to remind them to listen to the people is the possibility (even remote) of be dragged out of the palace into the streets and killed by the mobb. Very true. Now let's put it the other way arround: do we owe a living to the government (not to mention ex-politicians, lobbysts etc)? Are we entitled to ask public services back in return for our taxes? Who said the finantial gorups had to own 99% of everything under the Sun? Over here in Europe, the Euro is under attack by the "malrkets", the same who were bailed out in 2008 to avoid going banckrupt. I read a package of 600.000 million Euro is being prepared to "help" Italy. First, look at the number: dividing by the 60 million Italians, it would be 10000Euro/each, but that's not being done like that. Italian government will have this amount for a mear 4% tax, to be paid back over several years (from the taxpayers money) totaling perhaps 1 000 000 million Euro. Where is this money coming from? Money doesn't exist, it is made in FMI, FED, CEB, etc and lent to banks. Those banks (owned by their shareholders) will give loans to governments, smaller banks, corporations, etc. To repay money that was made out of nothing, people will have to work for their living plus pay the taxes, eventually selling estate to pay debts and keep living. This is the bottom line, for a long time all sort of loans had been arranged between our governments and banks, now the banks cut the ratings and raise the interest to unbearable values forcing people and countries to sell property to pay a huge debt. The "austerity" strategy, saving more, consuming less, etc. will make the problem bigger cause the economy to shrink, businesses will close (unemployment), and less taxes will be collected leaving again worst defficit to require new loans and so on in a spiral that will lead to something real bad. If you sell a farm to put the money in the bank, you traded real estate for a figure in a computer, and if the bank goes bankrupt or the currency depreciates, you end up with NOTHING! And that is the strategy unfolding before our eyes, banks will end up owning everything in exchange for nothing! Something must be done about it, and we are in too deep in debt to switch to buy everything with cash anytime soon. The story tells us the economy never improved with austerity measures. There's not an easy way out of this. 
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When you have 99% of a population, several factions are united among them, and division will surface when decisions have to be made. But then again, the discussion of the problems will eventually lead to something. Perhaps we (all of us) for a long time believed our elected governments were there for us, and in the end they were there to serve big corporations, who financed their campaigns, lunches and parties and whatever. There is no way to ignore something is brewing, and we can only be burdened by a few to some point. |
Now that's more like it. Jose Pinto, you're a smart man that can see things have to change, and it doesn't seem like they're going to from the inside out. Like you say, if these liars in the government have a suspicion they might be dealt with on the street things might take another turn... It's not just the united states that have issues (as you've pointed out), things have to change pretty much world wide. The statuesque sucks and is insulting, especially for people now a days. One of the wonderful things about Occupy, is that it has no fixed goals! It's based on one thing........ HOPE....... that can send a powerful message to governments with their heads up their ass' I doubt I'll see it in my lifetime, but it sure is a good message, and refreshing as hell! Of all the things I've seen in my life, hope has been one of the biggest movers of people, hopefully it will continue and we'll see better from the people who are supposed to be looking out for us period! as a veteran I get really steamed about all this crap
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Iam looking at this from a European point of view. In France, the "May 68" had no goals, but it sure rocked things a bit! It contributed to erode the old Iberic dictators at least... OTH, having no fixed goals, it can't fail! From a demonstration somewhere in Europe, "No job, no house, no fear"
If the younger generation feels trapped with no hope in future, things may turn real ugly. What's the point in asking the older to retire at older age, when the young can't find jobs?! Our so called "western civilization" is under great pressure, and our children will probably have worse lifes than we and our parents had. That's an horrible legacy to pass on to them. We can't compete with "emerging economies" like India and China, and we have to refuse to be levelled to their life standard, instead of the other way arround. |
Something may be achieved, we don't know what yet. It makes it dificult to keep a "scoreboard" but it makes everything more interesting!
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I could stand in the back yard and bang my head against the cherry tree...something may be achieved; I have a good idea what 
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You could, but you're smarter than that. Some guy (Mohamed Bouazizi) in Tunisia set himself on fire on the parliament, and several dictator were overthrown as a consequence of events (the Arab Spring)... He personally died, but achieved much more than he expected to. |
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