Seeking input on E36 and E46 cars...
Posted by Archeo-peteriX
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More and more; I am realizing that another BMW is in my future.
For sure; I can't afford a new one; heck, I can't even afford anew Hyundai 
So, my search will involve 1995 and newer E36 models and 2000 to 2003 E46 models. Around here; I can have just about any of the 318i models or the E46 323i and some earlier 325i E46 machines for $8000 or a lot less. I'm looking for feedback from any of our forum friends who have or have had either body style. Cab has an E46; Rick(his daughter) had an E36 with the M44 power plant; jaffar has an E36 and I know others also have one or the other as well as our beloved E30s. How do these newer cars stand up from a reliability point of view? |
A few thoughts on the 318ti is that you have to have a stick and the reason the car works so well is the light weight. A normal (full size) 318 is not as good but I wouldn't turn a nice one down if it was a stick car. Ours had around 100k when it was totaled by a deer and still was a strong runner with many years ahead of it. I truly adored that car Peter. |
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I kind of like this one...
[images.v12soft.com] It's a 1998 with less than 150,000 km( ~90k miles) or this one... [i1190.photobucket.com] It's a 2002 320i(2.2litre) with only 125,000km(~78Kmiles) and it's under $8K. The E46s have even better fuel economy than the E36 which was a big improvement over the E30. Hopefully Cab will chime in with his documented fuel usage charts for the E46 
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You'll be disappointed with my fuel experience. First of all, we have the Xi, and the wagon, and neither of those are good for fuel economy. Add to that the fact that BMW NA only brought the 325XiT and you have a bit of an overburdened engine lugging around the heaviest E46. The only way to make our car heavier would be with an automatic, but IIRC it still weighs in somewhere around 3600 pounds (you'll have to convert that to stone yourself, I don't have that conversion factor handy  ).
Anyway, I do have all the records from every fill up we've ever done, but I'm about 6 years behind in entering it into the spreadsheet, so I can't give you a detailed breakdown. I can give you anecdotal information that the OBC almost always reports somewhere around 22-24 mpg. I reset the OBC every time I fill it, but Mrs. Cab doesn't always reset it. But that's about what we get. I would expect a lighter weight RWD model to do better. However, as you said, my E30 got around 22 mpg (US, not Canadian, naturally) with the chip and the fact that I drove it fairly aggressively, and it's quite a bit lighter than the E46, so the newer car does do quite a bit better just to get the same approximate consumption rate. As for the rest of the car, it has been good, I'd say. Not spectacular, but we have never been completely stranded by anything. Bear in mind that is has so many more electronic doo-dads than the E30, so many more opportunities for failure. Every major-ish repair so far was covered either by the initial the extended CPO warranty. Those repairs included the following that I can remember off the top of my head.
I've done one full brake job (the car currently has ~96k miles), and while I know that rotors don't warp, the car is seriously shaking right now under braking at highway speeds. There is plenty of pad left, and I am pretty sure that the rotors are no longer uniformly thick. I have new rotors to install but haven't had the chance to put them on yet. I plan to do that when I install the winter wheels (which will be very soon). There is also a smell of coolant from time to time and the coolant level goes down way too fast for everything to be normal. Tech Talk in Roundel has led me to understand that basically the whole cooling system in the E46 is piss-poor, and that right around my mileage one should do pretty much an entire replacement. I haven't found the leak yet, but I suspect it is at the pump/thermostat. The OE pump has plastic impellers and is known to fail. The replacement pump is metal and much more robust. I've priced out the replacement and it'll be around $350 for the parts to do the whole job, $200-ish if I don't replace the radiator. But word is that the radiator sucks, that the connectors in and out are plastic and eventually fail under temperature. So I'll probably do that whole thing in the spring. The AC pretty much stopped working his summer. I'm thinking that it will need a new compressor, but haven't yet had it looked at. That's something I won't attempt myself. I also think that many/most of the rubber bits and struts/shocks are up for renewal soon. But that is all to be expected with close to 100k miles and 8 years in New England, IMO. So after all that bad news, the good stuff. We absolutely love the car, although with two kids and all their accoutrements, it's gotten pretty small on us. I think if we hang on to it long enough, it will get slightly bigger again as they outgrow the enormous car seats. I'm not a big fan of the AWD, I'd much rather have RWD with snow tires, but I guess it gives some measure of confidence (which isn't always a good thing in bad conditions). We do use snow tires anyway, unlike most of the rest of the fools around here who believe that AWD is the answer to all ills. It's comfortable, relatively fun to drive, and despite what I said above, I think the fuel mileage is not awful. It's certainly better than many other family vehicles, except something like a minivan would give us substantially more room inside at a possible cost of worse mileage. If I were driving an E46 myself, I'd be very happy with a 328i, coupe or sedan. I'd prefer it to be more of a stripper than the Premium/Sport/AWD/leather/etc model that I have. I'd prefer a RWD manual wagon, personally, but those are very hard to find, especially around here. I was lucky to find one with a stick at all, and to do that I had to go with the AWD and all the luxury bits (except for nav system, I was lucky to avoid that). There have been no major structural issues or mechanical problems. Most of the issues I've had I consider to be relatively routine, and thus acceptable. Buying an older car like you'd be doing, any major issues should be shaken out by now, so make sure that the wear items like bushings/suspension/etc are in good shape (or just consider replacing them to be part of the initial cost - kind of like an M20 timing belt), and keep an eye out for the cooling system and AC that I mentioned above. The engine is good, the drivetrain is strong, although as always I'd recommend a stick. Get one with manual seats (I don't think manual windows were even available - maybe in Canada, I don't know) and few of the geegaws, and you should have yourself a pretty good car. Best of luck, feel free to ask any specific questions you have that I might be able to answer. Cab 
1990 325i(s) 2004 325XiT |
Of course you would, being Peters money...! 
Just kidding. I understood, time is on Peter's side, and he is talking about getting a new car for a while now and taking his time. After all, what good is to buy a car if one don't like it, or can't use it? The new 3 series will eventually press the price of the actual series down, so no reason to rush things. |
Jose, You and Rick are right; I do have time and I intend to make the most of it. I will end up with the most car for the least money 
My biggest problem right now is deciding how much money I'm really willing to put into a newer vehicle vs doing some of the things needed around the house. I think that; if I'm smart about it; I can have both. With my woodworking experience and industry contacts; I should be able to save a lot on things like flooring and cabinetry. I'm willing to do my own painting so that can save a lot of money. Gee, if I'm going to do all this house stuff; I'll need a truck 
Please, somebody give me the winning lottery numbers 
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Perhaps you may keep the truck for a while, and sell it latter instead of trading it in for the "new" car. Selling used cars is more and more done over internet ads, and used car dealers will geve much less for an used old car than you can get from the buyer. On the other hand, I painted my house several times, moved home, and did some other stuff and never needed to own a flat bed truck to do so. My father has a van i can borrow at times (together with his help) or if I hadn't, I coulod allways rent one for a day if needed be. In fact, from the two cars we have at home I am considering to keep just one runing and do away with one insurance, maintenace, etc. This to say the Citroen is again "en pane" like the french say... |
Everyone is good, considering the power outage we're in the midst of right now. They're saying estimated restoration tonight sometime, so we're hopeful. I have some recent pics on my site over at cabtreadway dot com. It's not updated every day or anything, but I try to get something up there every now and then. Cab
1990 325i(s) 2004 325XiT |
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A person has more friends when he owns a truck.
 Bob in Lake Havasu |
May work better owning a swimming pool a give parties! The "Great Gatsby" style, or Berlusconi way... 
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You and Mrs Cab have two very adorable kids.
I sometimes miss those days when my girls were at that age but I can always look at the old photo albums when I forget who they looked
Your blog will be a keepsake for them
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