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Posted by rkj 
rkj
May 30, 2010 04:32PM
I've hesitated to say anything (here) but this crisis is looking like a major horror show in the making, okay, it is already but it looks like things are not getting any better, and look who's in charge of fixing it! The same greedy jerks that have the worst track record safety wise of all. I know, I know you know all of what I just said but I just thought I had to say something, even if it was how horrific this going to be to deal with short and LONG term. The world of big business never ceases to horrify me.

Rick
May 30, 2010 05:49PM
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rkj
I've hesitated to say anything (here) but this crisis is looking like a major horror show in the making, okay, it is already but it looks like things are not getting any better, and look who's in charge of fixing it! The same greedy jerks that have the worst track record safety wise of all. I know, I know you know all of what I just said but I just thought I had to say something, even if it was how horrific this going to be to deal with short and LONG term. The world of big business never ceases to horrify me.

Rick

If this had been a Chinese catastrophy like the melamine thing; the head honchos at BP would have been executed by now. As it is nothing will happen to them and the US taxpayer will end up paying for any clean up that is possible.

Those bastards are still lying about the amount of damage and the size of the leak. They don't seem to have a clue about how to stop this thing; they're probably concentrating on how to drill a new well into that reserve so they can suck whatever oli out that doesn't leak into the gulf...profits above all else!

The government reaction isn't really any better than it was during Katrina. The politicians are bought and sold by the big oil concerns and they aren't going to do anything except pay lip service...execute them all!
May 30, 2010 08:44PM
The backstory is that many shortcuts were taken, there was a problem with the blow-out preventer spewing hunks of rubber (the o-rings that were supposed to provide the seal in the event of a blow out) and yet they just kept going as we all know time is money and the perfect storm hit.

The devastation to the ecology of the area will probably outlive all of us. Fisheries will be destroyed, beaches polluted, peoples' livlihoods ruined, etc, etc., etc.

Unfortunately, the top guys at BP will just retire to their wealthy summer estates.

What needs to happen is a strict inspection system when this type of activity is attempted.

It has always been my experience when you take a shortcut, that is exactly when the wheels will come off the wagon....of course, if I screw something up, I and I alone have to clean up the mess.

alan



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2010 08:46PM by alanrw.
rkj
May 30, 2010 09:24PM
It never ceases to make me sick how, after these catastrophes nothing much happens; chemical plants still operate way too close to towns and oil companies get away with murder, literally and figuratively. sad smiley I'm with Peter; hang one of these jerks and set some kind of example that some one has, HAS to be responsible. The people in charge might, MIGHT think twice about how reckless they behave.

I hate to even think like this but jeepers, something has to make a difference.... somewhere confused smiley

60 minutes had the story weeks ago.

Rick
May 31, 2010 10:11PM
I'm with you guys 100%...except for the whole killing thing.

I will point out one thing though. Just because the media doesn't cover this story as well as they should, doesn't give anyone the right to throw out perspective (not saying any of us has, yet).

Here is some perspective.

Of course, as they say "location location location". Still, the fact is that we care so much about how BP is handling this not because of how BP is handling it, but because it is effecting the US coast line. If it were off the coast of Africa effecting twice as many species, we might say we "care", but I doubt any of us would take the time to so anything as drastic as writing in a forum. I know I wouldn't, and I know that is sad. Funny how ideals don't always line u with action...

Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't mean to offend anyone smiling smiley

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June 01, 2010 08:55AM
This is a shame.

Oil became so expensive, that makes viable searching it at places harder than ever, and there companies find the limits of technology.

That kind of activity should be regulated and supervised closely, but then major companies are more power than most countries and they want profit no matter what...

And it's even worse wqhen it happens in Africa or Asia, it only gets to the news when oil is allover half continent, and nobody dopes anything to contain the problem.

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June 01, 2010 05:22PM
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That kind of activity should be regulated and supervised closely, but then major companies are more power than most countries and they want profit no matter what...


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And will get more expensive if said regulations and supervision are carried out. Ultimately, we decide how much risk we are willing to take by setting the price that we are willing to pay for energy. Since we insist on having 'cheap' oil, we pay the price or other countries pay the price. This type of thing has been happening for years, but not in our back yard, so we didn't mind, since it wasn't our problem and we just wanted cheap oil. Major companies might want profit no matter what, but we want cheap oil, no matter what.

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June 01, 2010 06:06PM
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And will get more expensive if said regulations and supervision are carried out. Ultimately, we decide how much risk we are willing to take by setting the price that we are willing to pay for energy. Since we insist on having 'cheap' oil, we pay the price or other countries pay the price. This type of thing has been happening for years, but not in our back yard, so we didn't mind, since it wasn't our problem and we just wanted cheap oil. Major companies might want profit no matter what, but we want cheap oil, no matter what.

salut, Bob P.

Problem is oil products are not cheap from our consumer end, so the raw oil price plus the regulations costs are a minor problem on the equation...
June 01, 2010 11:58PM
For such a major ecological disaster, we barely got news of it here in the Philippines....

I'm really hoping they find a solution to this. But so far, they don't seem to have a clue on how to fix this and one failure lead to another. I cringe at the thought of the havoc this will continue to cause in the future.
June 02, 2010 09:26AM
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I'm with you guys 100%...except for the whole killing thing.

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I don't really advocate killing; that is just my anger being expressed.

A more realistic and effective message would be sent by making these executives work the front lines cleaning up the mess on the ground...for as long as it takes.
A prpoper punishment to fit the crime.
rkj
June 02, 2010 11:31AM
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Earendil
I'm with you guys 100%...except for the whole killing thing.

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I don't really advocate killing; that is just my anger being expressed.

A more realistic and effective message would be sent by making these executives work the front lines cleaning up the mess on the ground...for as long as it takes.
A prpoper punishment to fit the crime.

I don't agree Peter, I think this kind of crime (and this is a crime) should carry jail time..... The jailed Martha for gods sake. I think we all need a little prospective here (I do mean ALL of us) sad smiley

This is the most awful crime cause it could be prevented or at least treated with more care in the first place; I don't care how much gas costs, these kinds of things can not happen anymore period!


Humans, they think they're so above it all, burns me up :X
June 02, 2010 12:10PM
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I'm with you guys 100%...except for the whole killing thing.

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I don't really advocate killing; that is just my anger being expressed.

A more realistic and effective message would be sent by making these executives work the front lines cleaning up the mess on the ground...for as long as it takes.
A prpoper punishment to fit the crime.

I don't agree Peter, I think this kind of crime (and this is a crime) should carry jail time..... The jailed Martha for gods sake. I think we all need a little prospective here (I do mean ALL of us) sad smiley

This is the most awful crime cause it could be prevented or at least treated with more care in the first place; I don't care how much gas costs, these kinds of things can not happen anymore period!

Humans, they think they're so above it all, burns me up :X

Here are a few big problems with the punishment for a crime like this.
1. We don't know what steps would have been needed to cause a guaranteed prevention.
2. We don't know exactly what malicious steps were taken to cause it.
3. Black and White, he did or didn't, are easy things to pin point. What do you do when the problem is a culmination of 100 people's day to day choices?
4. It's easy to look at this and say "This is terrible". Any thinking human being will say this is not a net positive. However is there a law against any one individuals actions?

And in the end, will stringing the entire decision making tree of BP out to try by there ethic lacking toes really help the situation, or prevent it from happening again? It's not as if individual humans willing to risk life, limb, and other people is a new development in human history.

I really wish the entire situation was cut and dry, and we could easily point a finger. But I doubt that will be the case. Perhaps we can settle for "Who is to blame more", but if we do that, we can't justifiably put the weight of the entire disaster on their shoulders alone.

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rkj
June 02, 2010 02:56PM
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Earendil
I'm with you guys 100%...except for the whole killing thing.

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I don't really advocate killing; that is just my anger being expressed.

A more realistic and effective message would be sent by making these executives work the front lines cleaning up the mess on the ground...for as long as it takes.
A prpoper punishment to fit the crime.

I don't agree Peter, I think this kind of crime (and this is a crime) should carry jail time..... The jailed Martha for gods sake. I think we all need a little prospective here (I do mean ALL of us) sad smiley

This is the most awful crime cause it could be prevented or at least treated with more care in the first place; I don't care how much gas costs, these kinds of things can not happen anymore period!

Humans, they think they're so above it all, burns me up :X

Here are a few big problems with the punishment for a crime like this.
1. We don't know what steps would have been needed to cause a guaranteed prevention.
2. We don't know exactly what malicious steps were taken to cause it.
3. Black and White, he did or didn't, are easy things to pin point. What do you do when the problem is a culmination of 100 people's day to day choices?
4. It's easy to look at this and say "This is terrible". Any thinking human being will say this is not a net positive. However is there a law against any one individuals actions?

And in the end, will stringing the entire decision making tree of BP out to try by there ethic lacking toes really help the situation, or prevent it from happening again? It's not as if individual humans willing to risk life, limb, and other people is a new development in human history.

I really wish the entire situation was cut and dry, and we could easily point a finger. But I doubt that will be the case. Perhaps we can settle for "Who is to blame more", but if we do that, we can't justifiably put the weight of the entire disaster on their shoulders alone.

I know, it's almost impossible to assign blame on these scoundrels but it Should be possible. If you watched the 60 minutes show the guy there was telling how it all happened, one point he made that blew me away was "someone nudged the up joystick while the thing was in the locked position" and that screwed the seal up. At that point they still didn't do anything safe; they just kept on till it blew up killing innocent people; that's murder my friends.

No fail-safe, no special procedure for these controls; a two year old could have designed this thing better.

I'm sorry, I think deep oil drilling has to be against the law; it just can't be made safe! screw the price.

It'll get the alternative energy sources online that much faster thumbs up

Rick
June 02, 2010 03:34PM
Any chance it might have been the North Koreans again?



alan
June 02, 2010 08:13PM
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Earendil
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rkj
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Earendil
I'm with you guys 100%...except for the whole killing thing.

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I don't really advocate killing; that is just my anger being expressed.

A more realistic and effective message would be sent by making these executives work the front lines cleaning up the mess on the ground...for as long as it takes.
A prpoper punishment to fit the crime.

I don't agree Peter, I think this kind of crime (and this is a crime) should carry jail time..... The jailed Martha for gods sake. I think we all need a little prospective here (I do mean ALL of us) sad smiley

This is the most awful crime cause it could be prevented or at least treated with more care in the first place; I don't care how much gas costs, these kinds of things can not happen anymore period!

Humans, they think they're so above it all, burns me up :X

Here are a few big problems with the punishment for a crime like this.
1. We don't know what steps would have been needed to cause a guaranteed prevention.
2. We don't know exactly what malicious steps were taken to cause it.
3. Black and White, he did or didn't, are easy things to pin point. What do you do when the problem is a culmination of 100 people's day to day choices?
4. It's easy to look at this and say "This is terrible". Any thinking human being will say this is not a net positive. However is there a law against any one individuals actions?

And in the end, will stringing the entire decision making tree of BP out to try by there ethic lacking toes really help the situation, or prevent it from happening again? It's not as if individual humans willing to risk life, limb, and other people is a new development in human history.

I really wish the entire situation was cut and dry, and we could easily point a finger. But I doubt that will be the case. Perhaps we can settle for "Who is to blame more", but if we do that, we can't justifiably put the weight of the entire disaster on their shoulders alone.

It isn't so much a matter of who is to blame but rather who is responsible. In an organization the size of BP, the responsibilities lie at the top.

Restitution and punishment go hand in hand and the guys running the show are the ones who must shoulder the burden; it's why they get all those huge salaries, bonus packages, executive incentives and stock options.

If these guys walk away scott free then there is no deterrent to others down the road and the situation will repeat itself.

Along with the cleanup job I suggested, there should also be jail time; as Rick suggests; because negligence, in this case was a criminal act.
rkj
June 02, 2010 09:46PM
Rachel had an interesting show today; there could be fines, unbelievable high fines per barrel in the water. Also BP stock took a huge dive today, so they'll probably take a dive and we're back to square one... or maybe not, can you say Gulf Bailout sad smiley the latest attempt at slowing the flow failed today; more good news.
June 06, 2010 09:27PM
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rkj
... it looks like things are not getting any better... The same greedy jerks that have the worst track record safety wise of all.
The worst part is that this is not anything new.

See: http://www.wimp.com/oilspills/
rkj
June 07, 2010 12:42PM
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rkj
... it looks like things are not getting any better... The same greedy jerks that have the worst track record safety wise of all.
The worst part is that this is not anything new.

See: http://www.wimp.com/oilspills/

I know, I've seen this show. I watch Rachel all the time (she's the real deal), she makes the news understandable for an idiot like me. Good piece Ferdinand, thanks.
June 07, 2010 11:30PM
41 years ago, we put 2 guys on the moon. One would think we could engineer a blow out preventer valve that has some redundancy built into it. Additionally, it would also seem logical that there would be an emergency shutdown lever which would immediately seal the well should something nasty occur on the drilling platform itself. The response no doubt would be "too expensive" but I am pretty sure the results of this catastrophe will eclipse any additional engineering which could have prevented this. Oil well platforms sinking? Duh!!!!!!!!

alan
June 08, 2010 12:24PM
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41 years ago, we put 2 guys on the moon. One would think we could engineer a blow out preventer valve that has some redundancy built into it. Additionally, it would also seem logical that there would be an emergency shutdown lever which would immediately seal the well should something nasty occur on the drilling platform itself.
alan

On the flip side, Billions of dollars in equipment and many human lives were lost before and after going to the moon. Part of that loss is human error, but as with any extremely sophisticated process, sometimes the variables just don't line up in your favor. The scenario you mention is also a "by the book, according to plan" event. We've certainly done many oil operations that went according to plan, and it worked out very well. It's when the shit hits the fan that you find out how well you designed your system for a particular set of failures.

Building an extremely complicated device once, for one time use, is one thing. It's a whole other feat to build it for quality, time, and repetitive use. And the more complicated the system, the easier it is for it to fail in complicated and unforeseeable ways. I'll reference modern cars as my example, since we are on a car forum smiling smiley


As an aside, I love playing devil's advocate, because I enjoy good conversation (and learning from it) more than silent agreement.
Cheers!

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June 08, 2010 07:28PM
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41 years ago, we put 2 guys on the moon. One would think we could engineer a blow out preventer valve that has some redundancy built into it. Additionally, it would also seem logical that there would be an emergency shutdown lever which would immediately seal the well should something nasty occur on the drilling platform itself.
alan

On the flip side, Billions of dollars in equipment and many human lives were lost before and after going to the moon. Part of that loss is human error, but as with any extremely sophisticated process, sometimes the variables just don't line up in your favor. The scenario you mention is also a "by the book, according to plan" event. We've certainly done many oil operations that went according to plan, and it worked out very well. It's when the shit hits the fan that you find out how well you designed your system for a particular set of failures.

Building an extremely complicated device once, for one time use, is one thing. It's a whole other feat to build it for quality, time, and repetitive use. And the more complicated the system, the easier it is for it to fail in complicated and unforeseeable ways. I'll reference modern cars as my example, since we are on a car forum smiling smiley


As an aside, I love playing devil's advocate, because I enjoy good conversation (and learning from it) more than silent agreement.
Cheers!

This time, the plan was not followed. There were warnings and the plan should have shut the whole operation down before it blew up. I don't classify this as human error; rather a choice to ignore the danger signals and continue pumping oil.

The oil companies are only partly to blame as you point out...we are culpable because we continue to support their sloth by driving gas guuzzling behemoths sad smiley
Yes, by today's standards, our beloved E30s are just as bad as the big SUVs for fuel economy.
June 08, 2010 07:44PM
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The oil companies are only partly to blame as you point out...we are culpable because we continue to support their sloth by driving gas guuzzling behemoths sad smiley
Yes, by today's standards, our beloved E30s are just as bad as the big SUVs for fuel economy.

Peter! Get you car fixed! Or chipped. I'm consistently getting 26-28mpg on the freeway in my 325i, which is a far cry from today's average SUV and sports car. Certainly there are vehicles that regularly do 50+, but let's not compare our babies to SUV smiling smiley

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rkj
June 08, 2010 08:31PM
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41 years ago, we put 2 guys on the moon. One would think we could engineer a blow out preventer valve that has some redundancy built into it. Additionally, it would also seem logical that there would be an emergency shutdown lever which would immediately seal the well should something nasty occur on the drilling platform itself. The response no doubt would be "too expensive" but I am pretty sure the results of this catastrophe will eclipse any additional engineering which could have prevented this. Oil well platforms sinking? Duh!!!!!!!!

alan

Yes!, you'd think but You'd be wrong; safety and safety testing is low on their list of priorities it seems, not to mention good design (that's out the window too). Oil companies are just out for the buck and could give a f.... about anything else.

Some things better change from here on out; like Rachel sez " if things change, the system works, if it doesn't, the system doesn't"

It's that simple, she said. Right now I can't think of a word, or words to explain how I feel about all this...
June 08, 2010 09:45PM
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The oil companies are only partly to blame as you point out...we are culpable because we continue to support their sloth by driving gas guuzzling behemoths sad smiley
Yes, by today's standards, our beloved E30s are just as bad as the big SUVs for fuel economy.

Peter! Get you car fixed! Or chipped. I'm consistently getting 26-28mpg on the freeway in my 325i, which is a far cry from today's average SUV and sports car. Certainly there are vehicles that regularly do 50+, but let's not compare our babies to SUV smiling smiley

The iX is a little thirstier than the RWD models and it is sunning to spec as far as mileage goes; it averages 23mpg(Imperial Gallon). I do very little freeway driving any more; mostly city stop and go but mostly country roads with posted speed limits of 60kmh...everybody goes 80kmh(50mph) though.

The American car(SUV) makers must be lying about their fuel mileage claims them; Chevy comes to mind with claims of 31mpg hiway from their big Silverado!

No matter what fossil fule burning machine we drive; we are not doing the environment any good sad smiley

Give me electric or provide me with bicycle only roads! smileys with beer
June 09, 2010 02:20AM
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The oil companies are only partly to blame as you point out...we are culpable because we continue to support their sloth by driving gas guuzzling behemoths sad smiley
Yes, by today's standards, our beloved E30s are just as bad as the big SUVs for fuel economy.

Peter! Get you car fixed! Or chipped. I'm consistently getting 26-28mpg on the freeway in my 325i, which is a far cry from today's average SUV and sports car. Certainly there are vehicles that regularly do 50+, but let's not compare our babies to SUV smiling smiley

The American car(SUV) makers must be lying about their fuel mileage claims them; Chevy comes to mind with claims of 31mpg hiway from their big Silverado!

Wait, people are buying SUV's new? grinning smiley
Actually, I often times forget that more than a hand full of cars were made past the 90's. I still think it's like 2002 or something confused smiley

I'm thinking of my friends late 90's Suburban that gets 10-12 mg city, and 17mg freeway. There are also a bunch of "Sort Utility Vehicles" out there that are nothing more than really shiny large cars. But the Silverado is a pretty good example of a large SUV, and if it gets 31mg on the freeway, power to them. I'm too lazy to look, but I wonder if those claims are due to them putting a tiny engine in one of the models?

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ideal electric car. Maybe I'll pick one up used in a decade or two grinning smiley

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June 09, 2010 08:54AM
Oh yeh...the large SUV is still being made and selling like hot cakes.
Try Cadillac Escalade and Licoln Navigator along with a bevy of machines built on those same platforms with the badges changed!

A lot of people don't care about anything but image and how large their 'extensions' look sad smiley
rkj
June 14, 2010 09:03PM
I guess it'll all start tomorrow night when Obama gives his speech after he talks with the bp douche bag. He's got enough facts/evidence to fry the bastard so we'll see what happens. I'd really like to see the pres shine with this one, time will tell. It should be interesting but if I don't see some truth happen I'll never believe ........
rkj
June 16, 2010 09:57PM
So, it's been a day to think things over since his speech and I must say (and I'm one of Bamas biggest fans) his speech was a vague gesture at best and insult to prayer at worst. I wish I had been talked to like I was an adult. It's weird, when the health bill came down to the wire, as feeble as it is, he talked the real talk of grown-ups; I felt like this guy (Obama) was really into it, and us.

Now, with a major horrendous catastrophe on our hands he's got about as much force as my left toe.... An opportunity lost, or should I say another opportunity lost!

Come on Bama, show us the real you, the pissed off, lets do something you!

This is one veteran starting to look down at his feet again, dam it to hell.... sad smiley
June 16, 2010 10:23PM
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Now, with a major horrendous catastrophe on our hands he's got about as much force as my left toe.... An opportunity lost, or should I say another opportunity lost!

Come on Bama, show us the real you, the pissed off, lets do something you!

I've heard a lot of commentary on his speech, mostly addressing how Obama doesn't have much of an "angry" or "pissed off" face. Naturally, that doesn't mean he isn't boiling inside, or won't do something about it. I know many people who don't show articular emotions on their face, be it sadness, amusement, joy, or anger.

Not that he isn't an extreme case, but it's not as if our last few residence ever got hopping mad on camera. Walk softly and carry a big stick smiling smiley

While I would like to see Obama look upset about this, but if I'm honest with myself I know that desire stems from my wanting to know he cares. To that end, I'd rather he do something about it, rather than just show some emotion on camera, act like he cares, and then do nothing.

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June 16, 2010 10:48PM
Sadly, it is quite apparent that big oil has this administration securely in it's pockets just like the last one :X

I'm not holding my breath for anything to come from the government. Just like Katrina-gate; there are thousands of people willing and wanting to help with the clean up but they are being told they cannot and may be charged with offenses if caught!

Each morning on the news we see ample examples that BP and the government are lying while doing little to either clean up or stop the damn leak. This thing is going to spew oil into the gulf for months if not longer.

What really scares me is that BP is one of the biggest companies working the 'tar sands' in Alberta. We already know that their extraction methods are destroying a huge piece of the environment up there...and it is all sanctioned by our own (bought and payed for) puppet government eye popping smiley
rkj
June 16, 2010 11:11PM
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Sadly, it is quite apparent that big oil has this administration securely in it's pockets just like the last one :X

I'm not holding my breath for anything to come from the government. Just like Katrina-gate; there are thousands of people willing and wanting to help with the clean up but they are being told they cannot and may be charged with offenses if caught!

Each morning on the news we see ample examples that BP and the government are lying while doing little to either clean up or stop the damn leak. This thing is going to spew oil into the gulf for months if not longer.

What really scares me is that BP is one of the biggest companies working the 'tar sands' in Alberta. We already know that their extraction methods are destroying a huge piece of the environment up there...and it is all sanctioned by our own (bought and payed for) puppet government eye popping smiley

There's got to come a time that sensible heads will prevail, there just has to be..... confused smiley what has to happen for gods sake!
June 17, 2010 01:36PM
Had it been a disputed oil well in Iraq, a whole army would be on top of it. Why can't the army put into action here and save the nation's wildlife? Why are they waiting for BP to take action, they should do it themselves as a national interest and present the bill to BP. Personal interest should be put aside for (inter)national interest.
June 17, 2010 01:40PM
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Sadly, it is quite apparent that big oil has this administration securely in it's pockets just like the last one :X

Perhaps I'm an optimist, but I think it's a bit early to make that claim. Just because the government hasn't done much yet, doesn't mean they won't do anything. It's not as if the (US) government has ever been speedy in response to anything.

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June 17, 2010 06:16PM
Yeah, it's only been 60 days, what are we thinking? Perhaps in another 60 days they will have begun to schedule congressional hearings on what to do about it. By then, the gulf should be dead for the next 2000 years.

alan
rkj
July 05, 2010 09:18AM
Well, it's nice to see all the progress made since this thing started; our government has joined hands to make things right and bp is doing a bang up job of cleaning the mess up..... seriously though, I'm convinced nothing matters when it comes to money and power sad smiley

one disappointed american confused smiley
July 05, 2010 07:50PM
But BP put on a really expensive fire works show for the folks with the oil polluted beaches. Wasn't that generous of them?

So the oil continues to flow and the government has washed it's hands of the whole thing?

I want to see executions!
rkj
July 05, 2010 10:59PM
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But BP put on a really expensive fire works show for the folks with the oil polluted beaches. Wasn't that generous of them?

So the oil continues to flow and the government has washed it's hands of the whole thing?

I want to see executions!

What can our government do?, nothing it seems. The whole mess just gets worse every day, appalling efforts all around. I'm sick to death of the whole bunch of douches, governmental and oil companies alike, and a lot of the oil workers; they don't want any restrictions on off shore drilling...

It's sick
July 05, 2010 11:39PM
Something is not right here. We )United States Govt) decline any offer of assistance from countries with experience in handling this type of mishap, Bobby Jihdahl wants to build a sand berm to protect the wetlands and the feds are dragging their feet for approval, WTF is going on here? Is there an ulterior motive in letting this gusher continue to bleed?

It is not adding up in my book.

alan
July 06, 2010 07:27AM
At this point I feel compelled to remind everyone of Hanlon's Razor:

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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

An interesting alternate version of Hanlon's Razor appears on Wikipedia:

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Sir Bernard Ingham
Many journalists have fallen for the conspiracy theory of government. I do assure you that they would produce more accurate work if they adhered to the cock-up theory.

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Dave
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July 06, 2010 08:04PM
I see the government is using the old bait and switch routine to draw attention away from it's lack of performance by having the media drag out the 'Russian Spies' again. How lame that is :confused:

There have always been Russian spies in our midst; just as there are American spies in theirs...this is not news, it is simply a distraction to get people away from thinking how terrible the government has been in all this oil disaster :X

I want to see executions!
July 07, 2010 05:33AM
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I want to see executions!

Jeez, just another bloodthirsty Canadian. spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

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July 07, 2010 08:41AM
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I want to see executions!

Jeez, just another bloodthirsty Canadian. spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Well, actually offing these guys won't do much but there has to be severe repercussions or it will happen again and again.

If this had been a terrorist act, the government would have reinstalled the draft and declared war on some country or other. The ultimate damage here will end up being vastly larger than 911if it isn't already ... and the oil continues to spew freely into the gulf sad smiley

The government has already started to weaken it's stance on an offshore drilling moratorium. Give it a couple more months and a few billion more barrels in the water and the government will have changed it's mind with no change to the current mode of business ... get that oil at all costs :X



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July 07, 2010 05:46PM
The government has already started to weaken it's stance on an offshore drilling moratorium. Give it a couple more months and a few billion more barrels in the water and the government will have changed it's mind with no change to the current mode of business ... get that oil at all costs :X[/quote]

I am afraid that if you put the American people to a vote on whether they wanted to pay 3 times as much for their fuel (roughly equivalent to what, with some exceptions, the rest of the world is paying), or allowing the oil business to continue as usual, they would vote for the status quo and isn't that what democracy is?

The politicians are giving the people what they really want. I hear that sales of SUVs are back up.:disappointed::disappointed:


Salut, Bob P.

Salut,

Bob P.
July 07, 2010 07:47PM
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The politicians are giving the people what they really want.

Sadly, I think you're right and unfortunately Canadians as well sad smiley

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I hear that sales of SUVs are back up.:disappointed::disappointed:
Salut, Bob P.

Judging from what I'm seeing, that is also correct. Full sized truck sales are through the roof out here; diesel especially. I don't get the attraction...Viagra is so much cheaper winking smiley
rkj
July 08, 2010 01:25PM
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The politicians are giving the people what they really want.

Sadly, I think you're right and unfortunately Canadians as well sad smiley

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I hear that sales of SUVs are back up.:disappointed::disappointed:
Salut, Bob P.

Judging from what I'm seeing, that is also correct. Full sized truck sales are through the roof out here; diesel especially. I don't get the attraction...Viagra is so much cheaper winking smiley

This is precisely why we have good leaders, so even if the tough decisions have to be made they can be, screw the people, half of them are morons anyway... did I say 1/2.... 15/16 is probably more like it! eye rolling smiley
July 08, 2010 05:16PM
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This is precisely why we have good leaders, so even if the tough decisions have to be made they can be, screw the people, half of them are morons anyway... did I say 1/2.... 15/16 is probably more like it! eye rolling smiley

But it is precisely these 'morons' who vote for the politicians who wish to stay in power (and money). Its what a capitalistic democracy will yield - a people guided by the principle of individualism and the almighty buck. Politicians know that and use that.sad smiley

Salut,

Bob P.
rkj
July 08, 2010 10:10PM
But it is precisely these 'morons' who vote for the politicians who wish to stay in power (and money). Its what a capitalistic democracy will yield - a people guided by the principle of individualism and the almighty buck. Politicians know that and use that.sad smiley

Salut,

Bob P

I was thinking Obama would really throw his hat in the ring on this one. Call me naive but I really thought we'd see something to be proud of this time.

what was I thinking sad smiley

Every time something like this happens humanity sinks to a new low, nobody wants to make the hard decisions.
July 13, 2010 06:13PM
New "cap" for the well, new bill for BP, it goes on and on...
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